Not really as the longer term extension plans (before the government interferred) had both lines of sufficient length to warrant existing track alignment.Originally Posted by mrtfreak
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Not really as the longer term extension plans (before the government interferred) had both lines of sufficient length to warrant existing track alignment.
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what i mean is that since the silom line is currently extremely short, why didn't they make it a north-south alignment. which means saphan thaksin station to mo chit station and the sukhumvit line from national stadium station to on nut station. it was built in the way most people travel right? but then the national stadium station would not have been needed. maybe because of construction difficulties, that is the way the lines are built.
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It was designed for no cross-overs, hence it is only two layers!
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yep. but i wonder, when they were planning the silom and sukhumvit lines, what influenced their decission then. and why are they thinking of a re-routing now?
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The traffic behaviors of Bangkokians have DICTATED the route of BTS Skytrain and Ai Suriya are toign to go AGAINST the grain to please Premeir Thaksin's family
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Can you elaborate? Why would Taksin want it re-aligned?The traffic behaviors of Bangkokians have DICTATED the route of BTS Skytrain and Ai Suriya are toign to go AGAINST the grain to please Premeir Thaksin's family
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but why does thaksin need the realignment of the routes? what purpose and benefit does it serve to him?The traffic behaviors of Bangkokians have DICTATED the route of BTS Skytrain and Ai Suriya are toign to go AGAINST the grain to please Premeir Thaksin's family
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Generally, thsoe who live in Norhtern Bangkok Suburbs usually go to work at Sukhumvit area ... On the other hand, thsoe who live in Thonburi side of BKK
(well, the central part of Thonburi around Wongwian Yai)
However, those who live in Western Suburb aroudn Phutthamonthon (Up to Salaya) as well as thsoe who live in Northern part of Thonburi (Bang Plad - where Premier Thaksin's Palace is) feel VERY upset with this kind of traffic arrangement of BTS Skytrain which please those who live along Sukhumvit Road (Up to Onnut, bang Chak, Bang Na, and Samut Prakarn) and Northern BKK Suburbs, so they ask Premier Thaksin and Ai Suriya to rearrange the traffic for theri favor .... whcih will cause a BIG Frown Upon those who live in Northern BKk SUburbs as well as Southern BKK Suburbs ...
EXPECT this tug of war to be continued since Those who live in Thonburi NEVER considered themselves as Bangkokians .... They ALMOST alway considre themselves as "Thonburi people" instead ....
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so it will benefit thaksin as he will be able to swing those in his favour with the realignment?
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Yep, if Premier Thaksin and Ai Suriya fi htey can switch the line for the favor of theri constituencies in Thonburi
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To be honest for most of Bangkok's 223 years they were NOT Bangkokians. It was only in 1971 that the Province of Thonburi was connected to that of Bangkok to become the Metropolis we know now.
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I think political inference was the main reason!
I do not know BTS can actually operate their service by switching BTS from Silom-Lumlukka or Onnut-Pran Nok. It is not likely that BTS will comply.
OTP after Dr. Yongyut has transformed itself to be a rubber stamp! (you ask lots of engineers and you will have the same answer) They do not really have good expertise in transport planning. Most projects are conducted by consultants whom could be ordered!! And they do it willfully!
The same realignment happens to Purple line as well. It was once the north extension from Bang Sue, not a new line. A study was conducted few years ago during late Chaun's admin and it turned out that southern extension from Hau Lampong - Bang Wa was the best bet, followed by Orange line from depot - Ram U.
When you talk about mass transit master plan... you will never expect it can be changed every 2-3 years. FLIP FLOP POLICY based on personal interest!
It is now Purple. You may know that land prices in the vicinity of the Purple line has been doubled just by announcing we are going to build it. I do not know who sells or owns those lands. But they make lots of bucks!!
Just in time for Feb 6?
or another 4 years after Feb 6?
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Making Money form Speculating Purple line is the first series, but the real estate deals along Suvannabhum Airport route and Purple is the 2nd series ...
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Do you need more than 36 guesses?
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Khun Wisarut,
Firstly, congratulations on your very well presented System Map.
It is clear, informative and stylish. Your symbols and geographical refs are clear and useful.
I appreciate that you have updated some of the place names in v.2. The english spelling of place names seems to be an ongoing interpretive adventure within different arms of govt., so your efforts are most welcome.
I have a few queries.
1) Monorail Line:
Could you pls show on the map the route of the proposed, (election hype?), Monorail Pink Line, Pak Kret to Minburi. I appreciate that space is limited on the map and the proposal is not final, however, it would assist in having a clear sense of the route and interchange with other lines.
It seems strange that this route is being proposed as a Monorail. No one would doubt the benefit of a EW route in the northern suburbs especially in the Muang Thong Thani and Ram Inthra growth corridor but why Monorail? Thanon Chaeng Wattana and thanon Ram Inthra would seem to be wide enough and suitable for a elevated/underground rail.
Yet another silly off the cuff idea by a Minister or is there an objective reason? (Wasn't the Yellow Line down Thannon Srinagarindra originally touted as a monorail? Is a monorail lobbyist at work here?)
2) Purple Line:
I am unclear about your future link of the Purple Line btw Ratburana and Samrong. Where is this from as I have never seen it on any previous map? It is not on the BMA or OTP maps that you refer to in an earlier posting.
I would agree that such a cross river, southern link would be ideal in the future but who has proposed this?
2a) Is it really only proposed for the Purple Line to have only 3 stations in the Rattana Kosin Island area? This seems absurd given how congested the whole area is particularly in Chinatown area. I would have thought that about 6 stations between Sanum Luang area and Memorial Bridge would be more appropriate. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the scale.
3) BTS Samut Prakhan extension spur line:
Your system map has a BTS spur line from Udom Suk (Bang Na Interchange) to Bang Phii/Bang Pakong. Where is this proposal from? I have not seen it before and it is not listed on the BTS extension webpage, <http://www.bts.co.th/en/btstrain_04.asp>.
I would throughly agree that such a line is desirable given the highly polluted and noisy mess that it the Bang Na-Bang Pa Kong rd/Buraphawithi Expressway corridor. It would be a huge relief to all those living/working in the area. However, who has proposed this?
4) Mahachai line:
A small technical point. Perhaps a note or break to indicate that the Mahachai line is seperate from the Mae Klong/Samut Songhkram line as the map infers an continuous line.
Perhaps if the govt. had some foresight and intergrated planning someone would propose using these lines to make a new, more direct Southern Line. With a 30km odd link to the current Southern Line near Petchburi this would reduce the travel time for those going far south.
It would also make a lot more sense than the stupid Laem Phak Bai 'sea bridge' which will be a complete waste of money.
5) BTS Chong Nonsi spur line:
Whatever happened to the BTS Chong Nonsi extension down Naradwiwas Raja. Rd to Rama III? When I went to the govt. propoganda fair at Impact Arena last Nov. I was given a map which contained the extension. However, it is not longer on any map nor the BTS site.
Has it been replaced by the BRT to Bangkok Bridge?
6) A couple of suggestions.
Could you please add the expected completion dates of each line in the explanation/key area as I believe it would be beneficial. Obviously, completion dates will be very rubbery and change (eg. Blue Line) but it gives viewers some idea and would show the priority projects.
Perhaps a small note to indicate that the new Southern Bus Terminal Wutthakat area is not complete. Expected opening date?
Again, well done on a great job. I look forward to your reply.
Ciao.
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