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Two additional stations will be added if demands grows
Wat Samian Naree station (elevated) km 12 + 340
Lak Hok station (at grade) km 27+477
Red line commuter network map (Bangsue - Rangsit) will need 10-km extension to Thammasart Rangsit
(Elevated track - km. 6+000 - km. 25 + 232)
(At Grade track - km. 25 + 232 - km. 32 + 350)
Last edited by Wisarut; 02-09-09 at 12:29 PM. Reason: correcting
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What I do not understand ....
Why 3 tracks? Why not 2 or 4 ....
I guess it is a This Is Thailand and we want to do everything different from the rest of the world thing ....
Nowhere in the world were I have been have I seen a 3 track configuration. 1 track yes, 2,4,6,8 tracks yes. But I have never seen a 3,5,7 track configuration on a main line.
Why do they always come up with these kind of daft things?
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Current demanded capacity for red line commuter state that just 3 tracks would be enough. Furthemore, SRT is going assign all intersity DMU ro share teh track because the left and right track for red line commuter and rapid/express while the middle track is reserved for Intercity Expresses incluydingg SP9/10 (BKK - Chiang Mai), SP11/12 (BKK - Chiang Mai), SP 21/22 (BKK - Ubon).Originally Posted by waerth
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Doesn't answer my question really. Nowhere in the world have I seen 3 track configurations. It simply doesn't make sense when planning things longterm.
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Actually a 3 track layout is not all that uncommon around the world.
In Melbourne Australia there are two major suburban railways that have part of the route as 3 track. Caulfield - Moorabbin and Burnley - Box Hill the later is the busiest suburban railway in the city with trains every 3 minutes inbound and every 7 minutes outbound.
Other areas of the system are 4 or more tracks or standard double track.
Basically 3 track layouts are used where there is a strong peak flow in one direction but light use on the counter peak direction. The 3rd track is normally used for limited stop trains aimed at getting people into the inner city faster.
But if there is demand for express trains in both directions as well as all stations trains then a 4 track layout is a must.
Thai Mass Transport Systems http://thaitransit.blogspot.com/ Check it out now.
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^^
That's quite clear answer for the installation of the 3rd track on Rangsit - Ban Phachi.
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I am assuming that the exceeding long 15 month timeframe for bidding is incorrect but then who really knows! The Thai press Daily News report of the same announcement mentions no 15 month timeframe but the Manager online report quotes SRT Board Director Khun Yuttana as stating that it will take 15 months.
SRT opens Red Line bid in October THE NATION Published on September 16, 2009
The State Railway of Thailand is prepared to sell the bidding document for the Bt60 billion Red Line electric train construction in October, expecting the bidding process to complete within 15 months.
SRT Governor Yuthana Thapcharoen said the bidding will cover all three contracts. The first contract is for the construction of the Bang Sue station and the maintenance centre, the second for the civil works, and the third for the electric and machinery (E&M) system.
According to Japan International Cooperation Agency which is financing the project, Thai companies can lead the construction consortia bidding for the first two contracts. The SRT has asked JICA to allow Thai companies in the bidding for the E&M and its answer would be submitted to the SRT board of directors.
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Eleven firms in fray for Red-Line work, By WATCHARAPONG THONGRUNG
THE NATION, Published on August 20, 2010
Eleven leading construction companies picked up bidding documents for the first and second contracts involving civil work on the Red Line's Bang Sue-Rangsit section worth a combined Bt45 billion. The sale of the documents closed on Tuesday after starting on August 2.
Yuthana Thapcharoen, governor of the State Railway of Thailand (SRT), said yesterday that the 11 giant contractors were Sino-Thai Engineering and Construction, Italian-Thai Development, Ch Karnchang, Mitsui (Thailand), Sinohydro Corp, Unique Engineering and Construction, Nawarat Patanakarn, Obayashi Corp, Vichitbhan Construction, AS Associated Engineering (1964), and China Harbour Engineering.
Eight obtained bidding documents for both the first and second contracts, while China Harbour was interested in only the second contract and Vichitbhan Construction only in the first.
The companies have 90 days to make proposals. They have to submit completed bidding documents on December 1 for the first contract and December 2 for the second contract. For the third contract involving electricity and signalling-system work, the bidding documents will go on sale later this month.
The first contract is for an elevated railway from Bang Sue Kilometre 6 to 12 plus Bang Sue Station, Jatuchak Station, a maintenance building, flyovers and bridges.
The second contract is for an elevated railway from Bang Sue Km 12 to 32, ending at Rangsit, eight stations, and flyovers and bridges.
The Bt20-billion third contract is for the signalling system and telecommunications, the power system, and railway installation except for the Bang Sue-Taling Chan section.
Construction of the elevated mass transit line linking Bang Sue and Rangsit is expected to take four years. However, an industry source said the SRT would try to speed up the signing of agreements with bid winners for the Red Line's three contracts by next June 1, as targeted earlier, despite a one-month delay to the timeline.
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As of Mnnday the SRT has been advertising Invitations for Tender for the Rangsit Line, Contract 3 (E&M). Slowly getting there.
More info on the SRT site, www.railway.co.th
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Missed this one...
Bid timetable pushed back for Red Line project The Nation December 2, 2010
The State Railway of Thailand has postponed the dates for the submission of bids for the Bang Sue-Rangsit Red Line mass-transit route to December 13 and 14. The move came after contractors asked for a nine-month extension of the construction period to 57 months following problems in removing utilities infrastructure in the area, according to a source at the agency.
The preious bid submission dates were yesterday and today. SRT governor Yuthana Thapcharoen yesterday said the postponement was for both the first contract featuring the construction of the station at Bang Sue and a maintenance building, and the second contract for the civil works of the Bang Sue-Rangsit line.
The two contracts are worth Bt45 billion combined. The SRT also has to inform the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA), which provided a loan for the project, about the possible extension of the completion period. Meanwhile, as it waits for the JICA's reply, the SRT has had to postpone the date for the submission of bid documents.
The companies that bought bid documents for the first contract are Sino-Thai Engineering and Construction, Italian-Thai Development, Ch Karnchang, Mitsui (Thailand), Mitzui & Co (Thailand), Sinohydro Corp, Unique Engineering and Construction, Nawarat Patanakarn, Obayashi Corp and Vichitbhan Construction. With the exception of Vichitbhan Construction, the same companies bought documents for the second contract, as well as two others: AS Associated Engineering (1964) and China Harbour Engineering.
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SRT askign FPT to move the oil pipelines out of the trtack from Bangsue to Rangsit as the construction of Rd lien commuter from Bangsue to Rangsit is about to Begin soon. It woudl take 300 Million baht and 6 months to move the oil pipeline out of the construction area for red line commuter
http://its.in.th/index.php/component...04-04-22-18-41
EIA clerarance for the 10-km extension from Rangsit to Thammasart Ransit Campus approved, paving the way for the 3 additional stations including
1. Bangkok University Station
2. Chiang Rak station - allowing those who live in Bang Khan, Klogn Luang area to have the rail access
3. Thammasart Ransit Campus station - allow AIT students and Thammasart University students to have the access to Bangsue central.
The stations will be at grade but 8 meter above the ground.
The detailed design of the stations will be done by the end of 2011 since SRT has to take the demands for those from 2 Unversity into account ...
Thammasar Unviersity Students want to see theri stations to have the sky piercing dome like Thammasart University at Tha Phrachan Campus + Clock tower
those who study in Bangkok University want their station have a modern look like the double cubic building siomilar to the one in front of theri campus.
However, New road access form stations to university campus is a big requirement since ONLY Chiang Rak has relatively good road access comparing to the other 2 stations ... whcih may cause the cost overrun form th budget of 3.886 billion Baht
http://www.thanonline.com/index.php?...te-&Itemid=478
For hte progress on red line commuter from Bangsue to rangsit, the bidding on Contract 1 (Bangsue Central + Depot & maintainance center) with a price tag of 28 billion Baht and Contract 2 (Chatochak station - rangsit station) with a price tag of 18 billion Baht will be started on 18 April 2011.
For Contract 3 (Electrification + rollign stocks), the prelimirary assessment will be sent to JICA along with the bidding forms of Contract 1 and Contract 2 ... with hte hope that all 3 contracts will be signed in July 2011 and the contruction will be started by December 2011 to get it done and opened by the end of 2015, it not 2016 (the 100th year anniversary for bangkok Terminal at Hua Lamphong).
http://www.naewna.com/news.asp?ID=257626
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Breaking the Deadlock on the construciton fo Bangsue - Rangsit line, MOT and SRT tellign ITD to cut down the expense to win over STECON
http://www.manager.co.th/Business/Vi...=9550000017474
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Better come up with the new price to allow the bidding of the first section to continue because the old price does not reflect to the rising inflation
http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_news.p...dNaTB5TWc9PQ==
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/eco/240206
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The old price will not reflect the need to demolish all the old Hopewell pillars also if that is decided. Not that any company or vested interest would want to create the situation where extra work and thus a bigger contract is required for this project..........
Suwat obviously doesn't know what the Hopewell project involved if he did say that it was not designed to support railways. Perhaps a misquote or misunderstanding by the reporter?
EIT warns on reusing structures, BKK Post 3/03/2012
The abandoned Hopewell mass transit structures should be tested before any part of them is used to support the Red Line elevated train project, says the Engineering Institute of Thailand. EIT president Suwat Chaopreecha said its engineers had examined the structures and found they were built incompletely.
The State Railway of Thailand (SRT) should examine them if it planned to use part of the structures for its railway project, he said. He suggested the structures that are not used for the railway project be demolished for public safety. [B]Mr Suwat said the Hopewell structures were strong enough to support the SRT's elevated train project because they were designed to support railways.[B] However, some steel and concrete structures may need reinforcement.
Part of the elevated concrete platform collapsed near Wat Samian Nari temple in Chatuchak district on Thursday. Mr Suwat said construction of the platform ceased before completion due to legal conflicts between Hopewell (Thailand) Co and the government. The elevated slab was supported by scaffolding and concrete pillars. The structures had been abandoned for up to 20 years and weakened because their bolts and beams had been stolen, Mr Suwat said. "Technically, steel scaffolds must be removed after construction is completed. "Steel parts and bolts were removed by thieves and this was partly the cause of the collapse," he said.
Mr Suwat said concrete support structures normally last 50-100 years. However, those that support the Hopewell project may have shorter life because they have not been in use and maintained. The EIT president and Silpachai Jarukasemrat, acting permanent secretary of the Transport Ministry, will inspect the collapse site next Monday to consider how to safely remove the debris. Mr Suwat said clearing away the debris might take up to a month. Hopewell's concrete slabs were intended for use in a station for an elevated train project started in 1990 but abandoned due to financial problems.
SRT, BMA to inspect unfinished Hopewell project, The Nation March 3, 2012
The State Railways of Thailand and the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration will conduct an inspection of the unfinished Hopewell project for stability and to prevent further collapses, deputy Bangkok governor Theerachon Manomaiphibool said yesterday. The BMA will also inspect large signboards across the city to ensure they are stable, he added.
Asked whether the collapse of a section of the unfinished Hopewell project on Thursday would affect the Bang SueRangsit commuter train scheme, which was expected to rely on the pillars, Theerachon said a number of the pillars had already been used in building the airport link. Theoretically, a concrete structure that is reinforced with steel and is not exposed to rain and sunlight for long periods can still be useable, he added. "However, close inspection is still needed to find out if they need to be further reinforced. If the pillars are strong enough then there should be no problems, like the pillars that were used in the airportlink project," he added.
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SRT to reuse many pillars, BKK Post, 8/03/2012
The State Railway of Thailand will use a substantial portion of the abandoned Hopewell transit project to build its Red Line electric railway from Bang Sue in Bangkok to Pathum Thani's Rangsit area. It will also use some of the infrastructure to extend the Airport Rail Link to link up Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports.
Soithip Trisuddhi, director of the Office of Transport and Traffic Policy and Planning, said there were about 500 concrete pillars from the Hopewell project and the SRT could use 50-60% of them in the construction of the Red Line and the extension of the existing Airport Rail Link from Phaya Thai to Don Mueang airport. Ms Soithip said transport authorities have yet to win the consent of the National Environment Board for the construction of the extended section of the Airport Rail Link. The board has rejected the project in three rounds of environmental impact assessments.
Meanwhile, the construction of the Red Line from Bang Sue to Rangsit cannot start because the bid winner, SU Joint Venture, quoted the cost at 31 billion baht while the cabinet had allocated only 27.17 billion baht for the project.
Jamroon Tangpaisalkit, deputy permanent secretary of the Transport Ministry, said a committee would be set up to discuss the quotation. SRT Governor Yutthana Thapcharoen said officials of the SRT, the Engineering Institute of Thailand and the Asian Institute of Technology would examine the condition of Hopewell pillars tomorrow. He said each pillar could bear a weight of up to 1,000 tonnes.
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