Chatchart (Deputy Minister of Transport) approving the purchase of 3183 NGV buses (1659 Non Aircon & 1524 aircon) with the total price tags of 13.1622 Billion Baht and major repair of 353 buses with the price tag of 0.56525 billion Baht to allow BMTA to make a profit of 200 million Baht in 2014 - without the new buses - the loss will accumulate from 76 billion Baht this year to 120 billion Baht in 2016.
They cannot endure with the lump sum maintenance cost of 1200 Baht a day per car which is too much ... and they have no choice but to reduce the routes from 209 routes to 155 routes ... the ticket selling is now heading downward form 2.57 million tickets a day in 2001 to 1.03 million ticket a day today ... more have use BTS Skytrain ... Subway and Aircon Vans and instllation of GPS system to reduce the number of bus terminal masters by 277 men and lay off the BMTA workers from 14755 men to 9000 men in 3 years
the Private run buys and BMTA bus must be separated also ...
Truth today for BMTA bus
Year 2009-2010: Political crisis - 31 BMTA buses burnt
Year 2011: The Great Flood - 500 BMTA buses gone out of order a day
Year 2012: Without the new buses for BMTA, Bangkokians must walk between the offices and home
Cost overrun for NGV bus plan - up from 13 billion to 56 billion Baht
Approval sought for bus deal. Ministry seeks 3,000 gas-fuelled vehicles, BKK Post, 14/05/2012
The Transport Ministry will ask the cabinet tomorrow to approve a plan to buy more than 3,000 natural gas-fuelled buses for more than 13 billion baht for the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority. The BMTA will use money from bus fees to pay back the debt within 10 years during which the agency will have to reorganise itself to become self-supporting financially, Deputy Transport Minister Chadchart Sittiphan said.
Of the 3,183 natural gas-powered buses the BMTA would buy, 1,659 would be non-air-conditioned buses costing an estimated 3.8 million baht each. The rest, 1,524 air-conditioned buses, would cost an estimated 4.5 million baht apiece _ for a total of 13.16 billion baht. The BMTA will use the e-auction bidding process to ensure transparency in procurement and reduce expenses, Mr Chadchart said. He said the bus prices in the proposal were were only tentative. The actual prices would be determined during the bidding process.
Actual prices vary according to the quality of buses, although the tentatively fixed prices are for standard buses with a 10-year life cycle, Mr Chadchart said. He said that using buses that run on natural gas would save about 3.6 billion baht a year compared with using petrol or diesel. The ministry also envisions saving 297 million a year in maintenance costs if it enters into a long-term contract for those services.
A ministry source said two separate contracts would be sought under the project _ one involving the procurement of the buses and the other for repairs and maintenance. With the latter contract, the BMTA would be able to control spending on repairs and maintenance, the source said. The BMTA has procured at least 10,000 buses since its inception, and been responsible for repairing and maintaining them itself. This has helped put the agency 76 billion baht in debt, the source said. The source said the project to buy the new 3,000 natural gas-fuelled buses could saddle the agency with additional debts of at least 40 billion baht over the next 10 years.
Mr Chadchart said the procurement would cover a period of 18 months between this year and next year. The Finance Ministry will act as a loan guarantor. The first batch of buses would be delivered within six months and the rest within 18 months.
Thai version of this news can be seen here:
The bidding for 10-year contract for bus maintenance:
Aircon bus at 1,381 Baht per car a day instead of the current rate of 1,680 Baht per car a day
NonAircon bus at 1,020 Baht per car a day instead of the current rate of 1,237 Baht per car a day
Budget for bus maintenance: 13,858.408 Million Baht
New 1,659 non-air-conditioned NGV buses at the estimated 3.8 million baht apiece
New 1,524 air-conditioned NGV buses at the estimated 4.5 million baht apiece
Total: 13,162.20 Million baht
A much more realistic price as no more attempted slush fund for the BJT! Hopefully, this gets the go ahead.
NGV bus scheme is back, at a discount, Bkk Post, 27/06/2012
The 3,000 new public buses fuelled by natural gas for vehicles (NGV) should be ready to seek cabinet approval next month at a cost five times lower than first proposed, says Finance Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong.
The NGV public buses were initiated by the Bhumjaithai Party, the coalition during Abhisit Vejjajiva's administration, but the Democrat Party opposed the project as too expensive at 15 million baht each for 4,000 buses offered by a Chinese company.
The Land Transport Department came up with the same project last month but at a new price, of 10-12 billion baht for 3,000 buses at 3 million baht each, said Mr Kittiratt. "Fortunately we didn't agree with the old proposal, as it was overpriced. We can buy at fivefold cheaper than that," said Mr Kittiratt, who is also a deputy prime minister.
Chakkrit Paratuntakul, director-general of the Public Debt Management Office, suggested that if the cabinet agrees to the new offer, then the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority should set up a new subsidiary to oversee the NGV buses. Only by doing so would the project avoid burdening the already debt-ridden BMTA. "If we can conclude details this month, then we can seek cabinet approval next month," he said.
As far as public concern over the transparency of the project, Mr Kittiratt said it should no longer matter. Relevant departments, government agencies and groups such as Chulalongkorn University's engineering faculty and the Anti-Corruption Network would be invited to join the procurement committee. He said the project would be good for the BMTA itself, after performing poorly for years with the massive use of diesel-fuelled buses.
"Cutting some diesel fleets and using cheaper NGV buses is a good way to cut costs and improve performance in the long term," said Mr Kittiratt. The BMTA, with 15,187 employees, last year posted a retained loss of 78.4 billion baht.
The plan to purchase 3,183 New NGV buses at 13,163 Million Baht + the engine conversion from Diesel to NGV for 323 buses at 1 Million Baht/bus approved
Apologies... misread the post!
Originally Posted by Wisarut
Let's see if this attempt comes to fruition.
With this and the new rail budget from MOT, it seems like those in power are trying to accelerate projects in the pipeline. What do they know that we don't?
They think that they can get those magaprojects done by obtaining 2 Trillion Baht loan in bonds, World Bank, JICA, and so on ...
Those who have experienced with the NGV buses made in China have complained that the private sectors who run the buses for BMTA have learnt very hard way that the NGV buses made in China are so poor quality that they keep going out of order in the depots and garages ... Even the local assembles of Hino Bus, Nissan UD bus, or Isuzu bus or even the local assembly at Ban Pong are a lot better in quality than the Chinese buses which are worthy for junk.
BMTA has no choice but to reduce the 76 billion Baht debts in the exchange for 3,153 first hand NGV buses with a price tag of 13,163 Million Baht and the modification the old 323 diesel buses into NGV buses with the price tag of 323 million Baht despite of 1,252 Million Baht loss in 2011
BMTA Union complaining about the delay on NGV bus procurement
khun Wisaruth-you are so right about the quality of these yellow Chinese buses. It seems the private rot ruam operators now favour 2nd hand buses from Singapore and Japan. recently quite a lot of ex-JPNese buses start to serve them, on routes 147, 127, and 504= S.K.Tour.
The BMTA also has about 80/90 of the Chinese KingLong buses-about half taken over from premium Management, when they finished the airport routes and the other half new. They are all white and run on the 522, 140 and 138-all expresswayroutes, and the 76.
The BMTA is now renovating the former NGV- 2000 MAN series buses, running on the 503. But I often see them failed as ''rot siey'' along the road. Service on 503 is very sloppy some times.
I wonder which AC buses they want to keep and renovate:
a.maybe all the latest Daewoo, Isuzu and Hino of the 45/56/67 series-but thats a total of about 400.
b.Rather I think they want to keep the orange Isuzu-both the older and newer series=55/56, as they seem to favour them. Total new was 325 (200 older+125 newer)-but 2 maybe scrapped already-thats not too much for over 10 years.
Finally, getting closer to a purchase. Wishful thinking by 2014; "make the BMTA profitable by 2014"!
BMTA plans to buy 3,183 NGV bus, 4/01/2013
The Transport Ministry will seek approval for the purchase of 3,183 buses fuelled by natural gas at the cabinet's next meeting on Tuesday. The ministry claims that the deal would make the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority (BMTA) profitable by 2014.
Transport Minister Chatchart Sittipan said on Friday that the cabinet will consider whether to approve 13 billion baht for the new buses. Under the deal, normal "hot" buses will be purchased at three million baht each and air-conditioned buses four million baht each. Mr Chatchart said it is more cost-effective to purchase than to lease, as the BMTA is currently facing a shortage of serviceable buses. With 40% of the fleet out of service, only about 2,500 buses are currently in use.
The new buses will run on compressed natural gas (sold as NGV) instead of diesel, which would reduce the monthly fuel bill from about 200 baht to about 100 million baht. At the same time, the maintenance crew for each vehicle will be decreased from four to two workers. Mr Chatchart pledged that there will be no lay-offs and said if everything proceeds according to plan the BMTA will be able to reverse its 70 billion baht accumulated loss and turn a profit of 266 million baht by 2014.
The State Enterprise Policy Office, an agency of the Finance Ministry which oversees state enterprises, had approved the purchase of these NGV buses last year, he said.
NGV bus purchase 'too expensive', BKK Post, 7/01/2013
The Transport Ministry's plan to purchase 3,183 natural gas-fuelled public buses for more than 13 billion baht is too costly, appointed senator Paibul Nititawan said on Monday. The ministry will seek approval for the procurement of the 3,183 NGV-fuelled buses at the cabinet meeting on Tuesday.
"I agree that we need new buses and that it is necessary to replace those run by diesel with NGV but I do not agree with buying buses at a price of four million baht each, which is higher than it should be," Mr Paibul said. He said the price should not exceed three million baht. The senator said he was also concerned about the single-contract bidding process. The specifications will limit the number of bidders, he added.
Chinese-made NGV public buses (Photo by Chanat Katanyu)
The National Anti-Corruption Commission had advised the government that there should be 10 procurement contracts, each for 300 vehicles, to ensure transparency in the auction. The government must also reveal the opening price, as required by the law. "I ask the government not to create any more issues that make people criticise its [lack of] transparency, after its rice-pledging scheme has caused great damage to the country," Mr Paibul said.