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    Cool People Power Party:Election '07

    I would like to get back to an article about Bangkok governor Samak Sundaravej in "The Nation", already mentioned on 2bangkok.com on 26 July under the title "Twilight of the Bangkok governor" (original at http://203.150.224.53/page.arcview.p...2704&usrsess=1)

    The content of this article is really remarkable and shouldn't go unnoticed (or remain uncommented). The following excerpt sums it up pretty well:

    "The governor said he did not want to put further effort into solving the problems. 'I don't have to do anything next year,' he said. 'People are going to criticise me anyway. And I don't have anything to worry about, even my popularity. I don't see any reason to run for re-election.'"

    (Well, I guess this city doesn't have any major problems that need to be tackled rather urgently..... Pollution? Noise? Traffic? Insufficient mass transit infrastructure? Wastewater disposal? Poverty? Housing? Not to mention corruption, the poor education system, etc. etc., but that's more on a nationwide scale of course.)

    But the problems are not the main sticking point. His REFUSAL to do anything is what is really outrageous here. Where do we live? How could he make such a public declaration without dying of shame?

    And it raises many questions:

    What intentions do people like him actually have? Why do they actually want to be elected? Just for the money? Or for the fame (well, if he intended to gain face through his governor job, he ultimately managed to reach the opposite, completely destroying his credibility)? Is there not the slightest little bit of decency/honour left in them?

    In my opinion, he should be thrown in jail, for what he does (or fails to do) seems to me like a serious offence: I would call it willful neglect of duties - and mocking the people who voted for him, and all citizens of BKK, who have to suffer from his incompetence, or rather inactivity.

    Just see how many Bangkokians voted for him in 2000:

    http://search.bangkokpost.co.th/bkkp..._district.html

    or what a high opinion they had of him back then ("His unique personality makes us believe he will work for the benefit of the public.") and how they find themselves to be deceived by him now:

    http://search.bangkokpost.co.th/bkkp...00_news04.html

    "...he hoped Mr Samak would seriously attempt to solve traffic and garbage problems." - Bangkokians must have hoped that after EVERY election in history......... dream on!

    Another quote from that article, bitterly ironic in retrospect: "Though I'm not a fan of Mr Samak, I voted for him because he knows the city's problems well" - well, yes, he might KNOW them, but he sure doesn't DO anything about them!

    So maybe the next election shouldn't wait until June 2004, as pointed out in this rather outspoken Bangkok Post comment entitled "Samak's term won't end soon enough": http://search.bangkokpost.co.th/bkkp...03_news38.html

    (But then again, things CAN actually still get worse - if Khun Purachai decides to run.....)

    Looking forward to other people's comments on this matter!
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    It's sad to hear him said that. Many people expect a lot from him. And i kinda like his tough style of management. Hopefully, he will try to do his best to improve Bangkok at least before he leaves the office.
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    Samak: Homeless like stray dogs

    Samak again.... our great governor showing his contempt for the poor:
    http://www.bangkokpost.com/170903_Ne...03_news06.html

    Comparing human beings to dogs, well...... No comment needed, I guess.

    Only on this particular quote:

    "There are no excuses for being a vagabond,'' Mr Samak said. "Everybody must have a place to live. If we help them by feeding them and providing shelter more will only leave their homes, come to the city and drift around. In doing so, they take advantage of society. We should send them home.''

    What a glorious nonsense. (Sidenote: an elected governor who refuses to work is also taking "advantage of society".) Can't he understand they HAVE NO HOME? If they weren't extremely impoverished or didn't have problems with their families, what would they be doing on the streets? But as usual, nobody attempts to tackle the roots of the problem. Let's just stick to cosmetics and have a happy APEC in a squeaky clean, traffic-jam-less Bangkok next month. (It seems we just have to accept that face, and keeping up appearences, is everything in Thailand.) But don't worry, fellow Bangkokians: everything will return to "normal" after the meeting. You won't have to miss out on the familiar noise, pollution and eyesores for too long.

    Guaranteed.
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    thank Buddha....

    Phewww....

    He's not running for re-election (after threatening this possibility had not yet been ruled out during the last few weeks)!


    Upbeat Samak bids farewell to city hall

    Bangkok Post, 22 July 2004

    Governor Samak Sundaravej yesterday bade farewell to city hall, confirming he will not stand for re-election in the Aug 29 poll.

    ''I am almost 70 years old. I am afraid you will name me 'Ai Gae Samak' (Old Man Samak),'' Mr Samak joked with reporters.

    However, he said he will contest the 2006 senate election, and was confident Bangkok voters would elect him. [...]


    Well, I wouldn't be too sure about that.

    Seemingly in a good mood, Mr Samak said his proudest achievement was getting the Irrigation Department to manage water levels in dams, and the help of 400 prison inmates to regularly clear sediment from water pipes.

    ''Let me tell you that it is no fluke that no serious flooding occurred during my four years,'' he said.

    ''Every project is a duty ... not an achievement to show the media. I would say my job was done well, as the city seems to run smoothly. There was no work disruption during my term. Don't you call that an achievement?''


    I cannot judge that.
    But at least you have to agree with him on the following........

    Mr Samak said the government repeatedly obstructed the city's attempt to extend the BTS skytrain to suburban areas such as Thon Buri and Bang Na.

    ''The government did not allow the city to extend the route because it wants to buy BTS shares at a cheap price.''


    Pretty outspoken, isn't he, our Ai Gae Samak?
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    Just wondering what did he do with the Contempoary Arts Center at the corner of MAboonkrong Center krub? What has happened to the project krub?
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    Post Guv' Samak & firetruck procurement

    Former Bangkok governor Samak Sundaravej has admitted to ordering 176 fire trucks from Austria for use by City Hall and accused his successor Apirak Kosayodhin of failing to cancel the contract upon detecting irregularities in the deal.
    In other words, "Yeah, it was me who did the corrupt deal... but it's your fault for not canceling it faster!"
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    Temasek involvment with Thai Elite

    If you have Thai friends, please ask them to teanslate the folliowign article abotu Singaporean governemtn's involvement with Thai Elites

    http://www.thaiinsider.com/ShowNews....2-11/16-27.htm

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    Thumbs down Highbrow Samak?

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006...l_30009049.php

    Samak fires broadside at Gen Prem

    Senator Samak Sundaravej yesterday strongly criticised Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda, saying his philosophy about the loyalty of the military to the country and the Monarchy is nonsense.

    Speaking on a radio programme "Perd Fam Kwam Kid" on FM 105, the outspoken Senator eagerly jumped into the war of words between the country's elite and the Thaksin government that raised the political temperature over the weekend.

    Samak said he had been itching to comment about the speech by an adviser to the King, who said

    soldiers are like horses and that horses belong to the country and the Monarchy, not to the jockeys or the governments, which come and go.

    "I am very surprised [to learn] that horse experts teach horses to be hostile to [their] jockeys. How come? Horses need jockeys to control them. Have you ever seen horses on a race track, going it alone? I totally disagree with this

    philosophy," he said, adding that he wondered why the press admired it.

    "When a person who others believe to have clout says anything, the press makes headlines out of his speech," Samak said.

    He said some people promote taxi horses to become race horses.

    "They have done that," Samak said. "The horses cannot speak. The horses that were supposed

    to get promotion did not get it."

    He said that if horses could not listen to their jockeys, lawmakers must amend the Constitution to provide for an independent Defence Minister who is not a member of the Cabinet.

    Samak also attacked anti-government groups criticising outgoing Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra for writing letters to US President George W Bush and Asean leaders.

    The prime minister was simply trying to explain the situation in the country and if anti-government protestors did not agree with his methods, why did they follow up by writing letters to embassies, he asked.

    Prem's lecture, delivered to 950 Chulachomklao Royal Military Academy cadets on Friday, was seen by political pundits as a response to a speech by Thaksin that blamed "extra-Constitutional charismatic figure[s]" for trying to overthrow the government.
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    Suthi's Running Joke

    The Nation's Suthichai Yoon has a good knack for not treating Thai politics too seriously: -

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006...n_30009124.php

    THAI TALK
    Old soldiers never die; they raise 'career' thoroughbreds

    The message was unmistakable. It was delivered in a very subtle, but unusually forceful, way. Caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has been put on notice: he does not "own" the military.


    He could try to command it, but he would have to handle soldiers with care. If Thaksin didn't know that before, he will need to now.


    Of course, Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda would never admit publicly that his statement to that effect last Friday was directed at Thaksin in particular. Thaksin, however, can ignore it at his own peril.


    It has never been General Prem's style to resort to stirring rhetoric. But this time, it's as close as one could expect the former premier and ex-military officer to come to galvanising the present generation of military men into avoiding falling prey to political power-playing.


    Soldiers belong to the country and His Majesty the King, not the government, the Privy Council chairman declared in a lecture delivered to about 950 cadets at the Chulachomklao Royal Military Academy (CRMA). And, after quoting General Douglas MacArthur's famous line - "Old soldiers never die; they only fade away" - General Prem, an ex-cavalry officer, went on to offer a vivid analogy: "In horseracing, horse owners hire jockeys to ride the horses. The jockeys do not own the horses. They just ride them. A government is like a jockey. It supervises soldiers but the real owners are the country and the King. The government supervises and employs us in compliance with the policy declared to parliament ... What I mean is that we are the country's soldiers. Governments come and go."


    Was this a case of an embittered old horse telling the up-and-coming stable of thoroughbreds not to be afraid to turn recalcitrant if undue political pressure is imposed upon them or their ranks?


    Less than two weeks earlier, Thaksin used a similar forum - a gathering of senior bureaucrats from around the country - to "galvanise" his own "stable of horses", telling them to resist any attempts to interfere in their work. The caretaker premier's reference to an "extra-constitutional charismatic figure" who was trying to supersede his executive power was of course still fresh in the minds of the cadets as Prem told them he considered them his "flesh and blood".


    Thaksin could have wriggled out of the controversy by publicly denying his statement was not a challenge to the Privy Council chairman or any institution higher up. To the contrary, he has been stoking the fire by deliberately dodging reporters' questions on the issue. Without a denial - which would have been seen as a passable "face-saving" gesture - Thaksin has simply confirmed the worst suspicions that he was challenging Prem to a political showdown.


    The fact that Thaksin's spokesman went on record to say that the "extra-constitutional charismatic figure" that the acting premier had in mind was a "commoner" only served to make things worse. Now, those faithful to Prem - and they constitute a reasonably large number in the military establishment - have decided that Thaksin has increasingly become a real menace, not only to intellectuals, the middle-class, professionals and academics, but also to career soldiers.


    It was probably just a coincidence but Thaksin was obviously flustered by a reporter's question on the very same day about rumours that he was contemplating giving General Sonthi Boonyaratglin a "kick upstairs", in favour of a former classmate of his, in the annual military reshuffle scheduled for October. He did not deny the speculation either. But he did complain the following day in his weekly radio programme that he had been caught off-guard by the question because he had not even thought about the issue. "Not having thought about it …" does not necessarily mean not intending to think about it when the time comes, or so his critics quickly concluded.


    It could have been what insiders call a "pre-emptive rumour", but it is no secret that the current Army chief, who assumed the post only last year, has the "professional position" that he is a career soldier serving His Majesty and would not tolerate any undue political pressure from the prime minister.


    In other words, he is no Thaksin "yes man" and would resist any attempt to use the military to serve Thaksin's own political ends.


    Prem's succinct reminder to cadets last week that soldiers belong to the King and not the government was no ordinary academic exhortation. Having prefaced his statement with the disclaimer that his "comments aren't meant to stir up bad feelings towards the government", the Privy Council president proceeded to, for the first time, put clear distance between himself and Thaksin.


    The split, for all practical purposes, now appears irreversible.


    Asked by reporters after he had delivered the speech - in which he likened soldiers to horses and governments to jockeys - whether the current jockey was good, Prem simply said: "You in the press can decide for yourselves."


    When an old, experienced horse holds back comments on his jockey, you know there is something to watch out for in the race ahead.


    As they say in horseracing, "it's a lot like nuts and bolts - if the rider's nuts, the horse bolts".


    And that, I'm afraid, is what is happening in the current stormy political landscape. The jockey has simply gone nuts.

    Suthichai Yoon
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    Thumbs down the animal farm of Thai politics

    Horse**** indeed - or maybe bull****? Please someone tell Ai Samak to shut up. Can't hear this disgusting old guy's rants anymore.

    Just wonder why he feels he has to act as the government's apologist #1? What is he to gain?
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    Pay-off

    It has been said (rather than suggested) that he is paid to get on the case of the govt's critics

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    The very reason for Ai Samak to Attack papa prem are

    1) Jealousy ... Papa Prem come from Lower Class than Ai Samak, yet becomign Prime Minister, the head of privy Council and Stateman ... the position he can ONLY dream for ....

    Those from the palace have pointed that Samak is too immature to handle such heavy responsibility

    Furthermore, Papa Prem know that Ai Samak involved in the scandal on the procrumnent of boats for habour dept. When Ai Sama was Ministry of Trasportation ... So, Papa Prem has removed Ai Samak out of the Cabinate after the cabinate dissolution in July 1986.

    2) Ai samak sides with Ai Maew despite of thier enemity in the past ... since Ai Samak want protection from Ai maew on the scandal of firetrucks and fireboat for BMA Fire dept ....

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    Another theory?

    Somsak Jeamteerasakul (Wisarut, I know you don't think much of him), leftist historian from Thammasat has an article on Prem and Samak that's quite interesting. He reminds us that in his time Prem was a controversial figure as well, giving as example the vocal opposition from the student movement and opposition politicians (the Democrats in particular - I think Samak was a member back then) when he decided to stay on as army commander past retirement age while at the same time being concurrently prime minister.

    Somsak says that although it was widely known that the palace fully backed Prem, this did not prevent criticism from politicians and civil society groups from being articulated. Samak, supposedly with a longer view of history, doesn't really "feel" the "aura" of Prem, the Senior Stateman (TM), as much as most people do today.

    As for the substance of Samak's criticism - it does sound like a bit of horse****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naphat
    Somsak Jeamteerasakul (Wisarut, I know you don't think much of him), leftist historian from Thammasat has an article on Prem and Samak that's quite interesting. He reminds us that in his time Prem was a controversial figure as well, giving as example the vocal opposition from the student movement and opposition politicians (the Democrats in particular - I think Samak was a member back then) when he decided to stay on as army commander past retirement age while at the same time being concurrently prime minister.
    Perhaps, you should put the above in a letter to the editor to the Bangkok Post or The Nation. I would beat all the money in the world against it being published.

    This is the thing with the poll the other day and Prem being the best PM. Well, when most people dare not to publish anything bad about you, how else do you expect people to remember you as? Here, I was thinking I was the only one who understood that that Prem, when he was PM, was not certainly not the revered figure he is today. I would argue that his current popularity/status stems from his position as President of the Privy Council and not from all his good deeds as PM.

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    The late Pol.Lt.Col. Anant Senakhan of "Chanuan Movement" siad

    That Samak with Dog Nose is a son of Whore cat .... He did joined Hoodlum gang at Khiaw Khai Kah Pier .. The Phraya of Sunthoravej family had adopted Samak as hsi adoped son ...

    Ai Sama is good at curry favotr thsoe power that be ... lickign booths of Military Junta as well as Dictators wiht Democratic disguise ....

    No wonder, Ai Samak has such kind of Nature ... always as he is until the last day of his life.

    He become BKK Senators through vote buying ... and he got moeny for vote buying from Ai Maew ... so he has to BITE Ai Maew's opponents as an exchange ...

    REF: http://www.manager.co.th/Entertainme...=9490000098609

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