TV Channel 3 is actually showing pictures of buckets deployed to deal with a few roof leaks. It seems there has been some rain this morning.
They are also complaining about the lack of toilets.
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TV Channel 3 is actually showing pictures of buckets deployed to deal with a few roof leaks. It seems there has been some rain this morning.
They are also complaining about the lack of toilets.
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If you are looking for a memento of the airport's opening, or a wallchart for the kids: -
http://207.5.19.33/forum/showthread....1556#post11556
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Now who does this guy think he is? Mr. Thaksin or something?Originally Posted by GWR
So let say I sell my land and Bangkok Bank decided to build a branch on it.
So do I have the right to tell security "Hey let me in the vault, I use to own this land, I wanna see the vault"
Its not like the government just took his land without compensation.
Oh please.
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Uhm excuse me, you are located next to an airport.
If we move the airport would that make you personally feel better?
If not then I suggest you take your complaints to Boeing or Airbus to make quiter planes. Or better yet. Take your complaint to Thai Airways and tell them they can land only if they turn off the engines.
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Yes, I admit I have also been having a few slightly irreverent thoughts about these complaints myself. Something along the lines of "I wonder how the folks North & South of Don Muang have coped with it all for so long". It might even account for some of the strange behavior of the long-term Wat Dhammakaya inhabitants.They'll probably also be complaining, that they've got so used to aircraft noise that they now have nothing to lullaby themselves off to sleep. Truthfully, many folks feel lonely if they don't have their full complement of noise pollution.
But then again, I believe this flooding has been worsened by the airport. As the report says, the drainage works (necessary after infilling so much low-lying land) are not yet finished. I saw some TV footage of this with Apirak bimbling around looking concerned. Two meters deep in some places if I heard correctly: -
Bangkok hit with floods
Various spots of the eastern Bangkok had been submerged prompting Royal Irrigation Department chief to urged officials to keep drain into the Bang Pakong River and the Gulf of Thailand.
Samart Chokkanapitak said Thursday that although some areas would suffer blockage floods, the newly opened Suvarnabhumi Airport would not be affected. Following the airport's opening, the department would soon excavate 17 canals in the eastern Bangkok to increase its water-draining ability.
Samart also insisted the high sea tides and the northern floodwater passing through Chao Phraya River at 2,423 cubic metres per second would not submerge Bangkok. "The only factor that can cause flooding is heavy rainfall," he said.
Bangkok's Srinakharin, Pattanakarn and Ramkhamhaeng roads were kneedeep in water after Wednesday night's heavy downpours.
Bangkok Governor Apirak Kosayodhin, who yesterday morning inspected the routes said officials worked had hard to drain floodwaters out of the areas and the situation should be back to normal by late afternoon Friday.
The Nation
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I think the flooding is a real problem that will last forever in the forseeable future. The main problem? The airport was built in the wrong place. There wasn't enough geographical studies done before the airport sight was hastenly chosen. The runway is something like 3' below sea level.
The place was built on a swamp.
There was a study done that to alleviate the flooding that concluded billions must be spend on a canal drainage system.
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'Nation' extracts: -
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006...s_30014935.phpLost baggage, crashed computer check-in systems, shouting passengers - AOT calls opening day a '75% success'
It took the Korean visitors three hours to get their luggage, and they left no one in doubt as to their displeasure. A computer system crash forced staff into the unfamiliar role of manually checking-in passengers. Then more bags were lost and a scrum formed around the "Lost and Found" office. Flights were delayed time and again. Snafu was the order of the day.
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"We are 75 per cent satisfied," Chotisak Asapaviriya, president of Airports of Thailand Plc, said yesterday. "There were some minor problems that have upset us."
At 11am, the centralised check-in system crashed, first paralysing 11 counters of Thai Airways International and later spreading to 13 counters of Nok Air and some international airlines.
Ground staff resorted to using computer notebooks and filling out boarding passes by hand.
According to reports, many passengers on a variety of flights waited for at least two hours to get their luggage. Over 100 visitors from Incheon, arriving on flight OX301, vented their anger at Thai Airways International's counters. They shouted at THAI ground agents when three hours passed and still their luggage had not appeared.
Passengers on other flights encountered similar problems. Those on TG343 from Jakarta also waited for three hours. TG 917 from London landed at 3pm and the designated carousel was empty until 5pm. To the dismay of first-class passengers, they retrieved their belongings at the same time as economy-class travellers.
"The Lost and Found counter was flooded with complaints," said a ground officer who asked not to be named.
"Passengers of airlines including THAI and Aerosvit Airlines faced the same problem," said one AOT official.
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AOT's Chotisak said it took time for ground crews to transfer bags from planes to conveyer belts due to the delay in the relocation of baggage handling equipment from Don Muang to Suvarnabhumi. THAI supplies the AOT with the baggage-handling equipment.
A fierce overnight storm had thrown THAI's schedule for its migration programme completely out of whack. As of 7am, only 80 per cent of the removal was complete.
"The conveyor system functioned well, but there was a problem transferring luggage from the aircraft to the conveyor belts because baggage lorries had not arrived [from Don Muang]," Chotisak said. "This is a minor problem and will not happen again once the transition period is over."
About 200 suitcases were also found left behind at the airport after some THAI flights took off for domestic and international destinations.
THAI president Apinan Sumanaseni was sure that his airline's system functioned well, but the problem could lie with the baggage handling system, which is under AOT's supervision.
"We are contacting the bag owners to send them their belongings. This is a big blunder happening at THAI," he said.
Somchai Swasdipol, director of Suvarnabhumi Airport, said AOT is investigating the matter. The bungling could have arisen from the slow transfer of luggage rather than any trouble with the actual baggage handling system, he said.
The botched baggage handling was partially attributable to flights arriving late. About 17 flights were overdue, 45 minutes in the worst case. Most departing passengers anticipated the delay and arrived at the airport well in advance.
The first commercial flight to alight at Suvarnabhumi was also 20 minutes behind schedule. Flying from Kiev, the Aerosvit Airlines plane landed at 4.30am, instead of the original time of 4.10am. It landed at the same time as an EVA Airways flight from Amsterdam.
"Aerosvit's flight was delayed at the originating port, not because of technical problems at Suvarnabhumi," the AOT official said.
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Aerosvit Airlines also operated the first flight from Suvarnabhumi. Bound for Kiev, it left at 5.40am. It took four minutes for each passenger to check in, instead of the normal two minutes at Don Muang, as staff needed time to get used to the new IT system.
Cathay Pacific also operated a flight from Hong Kong, but with only a 55-per-cent load factor rather than the usual 80 per cent.
The Nation
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006...l_30014943.phpAirport traffic gridlocked
While plane departures and arrivals were running smoothly at Suvarnabhumi Airport yesterday, down on the ground it was a different story with traffic around the vast site moving at a snail's pace.
Security guards at the new airport, which began full services yesterday, blamed the traffic snarls on confusing traffic signs and people's reluctance to use public transport.
"The traffic was jammed. Limousines, taxis and personal vehicles were all in the same lanes," one unnamed security guard said.
He said people complained incessantly about the traffic because many areas in the new airport compound remained under construction.
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http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006...s_30014907.phpThe captain who was to fly Thai Airways International's last flight from Don Muang to Shanghai gave a message to residents near Suvarnabhumi.
He said his house is near Don Muang. At first, he was sleepless because of the noise, but after 20 years, he could not sleep without the familiar roar of aircraft.
"To residents near Suvarnabhumi, in the first stage you could be annoyed by the noise, but after a few days you will get used to it. Soon you will not be able to sleep without it," he said, in a voice that sang with pride at the opening of the sleek new complex.
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But not all local TV channels were that critical:-
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006...s_30014907.phpit was good to know that some television channels were upbeat with the airport opening. ModerNine was the first to air special coverage, which started with a farewell at Don Muang and live photos from Suvarnabhumi. Once again, iTV deserves praise for its more extensive coverage and unbiased approach.
Our insider in MCOT, which operates ModerNine, said that it was because Airports of Thailand, which operates Suvarnabhumi Airport, is one of the company's clients, and under the advertising contract, ModerNine is obliged to "overlook" any negative news about the airport.
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"confusing traffic signs and people's reluctance to use public transport."
""The traffic was jammed. Limousines, taxis and personal vehicles were all in the same lanes," "
What? People not obeying traffic signs and wanting to use their own cars? In Bangkok? Unbelievable!!!!
" under the advertising contract, ModerNine is obliged to "overlook" any negative news about the airport."
Damn. So much for objective news coverage.
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If you've already bought one of these guides, it seems like their airport bus listings are a bit up the creek. Take a look at this post from a local transport researcher:-
http://207.5.19.33/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=298
And its followups: -
http://207.5.19.33/forum/showthread....1580#post11580
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It could have been much worse. And apparently today is better: -
Thai Airways sacks executive over luggage mess at new airport
Flag carrier Thai Airways International Plc said Friday it has sacked an executive over hours-long luggage delays on the opening day of Bangkok's new international airport.
"The luggage problem was caused by internal management disorders at Thai Airways. We have already sacked a top person in charge of handling luggage," airline president Apinan Sumanaseni told.
Suvarnabhumi airport officially opened on Thursday, with more than 800 flights carrying 120,000 travellers passing through the glitzy three-billion-dollar airport on the first day.
However, the new airport was flooded with complaints from disgruntled international passengers who had to wait for hours to collect their luggage.
Airports of Thailand, which operates Suvarnabhumi, blamed Thai Airways for causing long delays.
"Luggage handling equipment from Thai Airways did not arrive on time and some luggage handlers from the airline did not even show up at the airport," said Chotisak Aspaviriya, president of the airport operator.
"The airline must look after problems for passengers," he said.
The general manager of Suvarnabhumi, Somchai Sawasdeepon, said all operations, including luggage handling, went smoothly on Friday.
"So far we have smooth operations on the second day. To me, the disorders seen yesterday (Tuesday) were normal and acceptable for a new airport," Somchai said.
The airline's chief, Apinan, also said he received no reports of problems on Friday when another 800 flights were expected to pass through.
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Look like the hi-tech that they afraid to make failure didnot really failed but cause of Lo-tech and human-error??
I would agree that what they say "200 baggages" compare to 120,000 passengers in the first day would not be an unacceptable for the new airport.
Remember the early day at chek lap kok, there also some baggage handling problem.
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More 'First Day Flyer' comment: -
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006...l_30015084.php
Airfreight Computer Glitches on Day Three: -
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006...l_30015085.php
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On 28th I noticed some confusion about which door international arrivals would emerge from and so I went back yesterday to check again. The arrival flight detail is the same on the big boards over the arrival doors B and C and not specific to each door. Neither boards here or elsewhere in the airport show which baggage belt is applicable for which flight. If you knew the baggage belt number, you could estimate which exit door the passenger would use. There is a considerable distance between the two doors and so it is impossible to watch both doors if meeting some one. So I asked a knowledgeable lady with a radio and she directed me to the Information counter. At the counter it was very crowded with people asking the same question but along the front of the counter was pasted a line of 16 sheets of A4 hand-written paper showing flight numbers, baggage belts and exit doors. A crowd of hotel and other meeters and greeters where laboriously writing down the data on bits of paper. I think they could easily solve this problem by simply adding the baggage belt number to the "Remarks" column on the arrival data boards. This may not definitively allow you to know what door they would exit from. But from reading the bits of paper, it is clear that baggage belts 1-5 are for domestic arrivals and would exit via door A. Baggage belts 6-16 apparently should exit from door B and baggage belts 17 and above from door C.
What I would like to know is:
1. If your baggage is coming at line 16 for example, are you forced to exit via door B or could you easily wander out through door C? If your baggage arrives at line 17, could you easily exit via door B?
2. Are there any physical barriers that force you through door B or C depending upon which flight you come in on?
3. If you had no baggage, could you easily wander out through either door? Presumably you would not be able to exit via door A if you arrived on an international flight.
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