Bangkok:Sapan Han

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I refer again to that book by Steve Van Beek "Bangkok then and now":
There is a photo of Saphan Han, it seems to be of older date as this one here, as there are just some small huts along the khlong. The khlong itself is filled with small boats.
Caption reads (translated from my German version of the book):
"Saphan Han was on Sampheng Lane where it crossed Khlong Ong Ang east of Pahurat Rd. The name (Saphan means bridge and Han a pivotal point) referred to a small boardwalk that could be turned to let boats pass. During the reign of King Rama II. (1809-1824) it was replaced by a permanent one and under Mongkut (1851-1868) it was extended, with little shops on both sides similar to Ponte Vecchio in Venice. In the 1950s the shops were removed and it became the quite unimpressive bridge that you can see today."

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The Declaration by Ministry of Local Administration (Krasuang Nakhonbarn) on June, 1908 stated abotu the merge of 4 inner districts to Form bang Rak even though the Map of Bangkok has shown "Bang rak District" since 1902

Is a more detailed version of this map available?

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[Ahoerstemeier]

The Declaration by Ministry of Local Administration (Krasuang Nakhonbarn) on June, 1908 stated abotu the merge of 4 inner districts to Form bang Rak even though the Map of Bangkok has shown "Bang rak District" since 1902

Bang Rak must have existed before 1908. The oldest mention of อำเภอบางรัก in any announcement in the Royal Gazette is from May 1903, titled ประกาศกระทรวงนครบาล แผนกกรมสรรพากรใน ประกาศเก็บเงินค่านา จำนวน ศก ๑๒๑ แขวงอำเภอบางรัก กรุงเทพ ฯ. I cannot find that Declaration in the Royal Gazette, but I can only suspect that it was the formal announcement of something which de-facto was done years before.

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Is there a database with all the district formation dates?

None that I know of. The best thing I can offer are the dates of district creations I have digested out of the announcements in the Royal Gazette, and added into my spreadsheet, but for the years before the 1930s it gets murky.

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Cannot open this file - it is something called openoffice. Do you have it in Excel?

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Bang Rak must have existed before 1908. The oldest mention of อำเภอบางรัก in any announcement in the Royal Gazette is from May 1903, titled ประกาศกระทรวงนครบาล แผนกกรมสรรพากรใน ประกาศเก็บเงินค่านา จำนวน ศก ๑๒๑ แขวงอำเภอบางรัก กรุงเทพ ฯ. I cannot find that Declaration in the Royal Gazette, but I can only suspect that it was the formal announcement of something which de-facto was done years before.

Bangrak, and indeed all 8 inner and 8 outer amphoes, were founded in 1892 when the Ministry of the Capital (Krasuang Nakornbarn) was created. The 8 inner amphoes were increased to 25 in 1915.

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[jpatokal]

Cannot open this file - it is something called openoffice. Do you have it in Excel?

Try Zamzar ( http://www.zamzar.com/ ) to convert anything into anything else online.

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Try Zamzar ( http://www.zamzar.com/ ) to convert anything into anything else online.

Thanks but I cannot download the file to convert as ones needs openoffice to access the file!

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Cannot open this file - it is something called openoffice. Do you have it in Excel?

OpenOffice is the free alternative to MS Office. ODF-File can be read into MS Office, but I am not sure with which update/servicepack this was enabled.

But here is it in XLS format.

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But here is it in XLS format.

Thanks,

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Bangrak, and indeed all 8 inner and 8 outer amphoes, were founded in 1892 when the Ministry of the Capital (Krasuang Nakornbarn) was created. The 8 inner amphoes were increased to 25 in 1915.

Do you have a list of these original 8 inner and outer Amphoe? The Royal gazette Announcement on the change to 25 Amphoe only lists all the 25, but does not state which one is new and which one only modified. nlike the more recent times it's not that easy to find all the district changes in the Royal Gazette from back then.

The only list of Amphoe from around that time I found was on police provinces, so I am not sure all of the Amphoe in there are real Amphoe or (like some of the provinces in there) only for the police administration. It definitely contains more than the 25 from 1915, yet it is undated so can be from any time between 1915 and 1928 (when Amphoe Phra Nakhon was established).

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Do you have a list of these original 8 inner and outer Amphoe?

The 8 inner amphoes were Pranakom, Sampeng, Dusit, Bangrak, Bangkok Noi, Sarapratum, Bangkok Yai and Banglumpoo Lang and the 8 outer amphoes were Bangkapi, Bangsue, Bangkhen, Bangkhun Thien, Rajaburana, Talingchan, Pasricharoen, and Nongkham

In 1915 the 8 inner amphoe became Prarajchawang, Chanasongkram, Samranraj, Pahurad, Chakkrawat, Sumphantawong, Samyaek, Pomprabsatroopai, Samyod, Nanglerng, Bangkhunprom, Samsen, Dusit, Phayathai, Prachairchin, Pathumwan, Bangrak, Sathorn, Bantawai, Bangplad, Amarin, Hongsaram, Rajakrea, Bupbpharam and Bookkalo.

In 1916, four inner amphoe were renamed (Ratchakhrue to Bang Yi Ruea, Amarin to Bangkok Noi; Hongsaram to Bangkok Yai and Buppharam to Khlong San).

In 1927 amphoe Rat Burana was swapped for Phra Khanong in Changwat Phra Pradaeng.

In 1928 the then 33 amphoes merged back to 21.

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Thanks a lot for this list. I can match most with an announcement in the Royal Gazette. The 1915 link I posted above already.

In 1916, four inner amphoe were renamed (Ratchakhrue to Bang Yi Ruea, Amarin to Bangkok Noi; Hongsaram to Bangkok Yai and Buppharam to Khlong San).

ประกาศเปลี่ยนนาม อำเภออมรินทร์ อำเภอหงสาราม อำเภอราชคฤห์ อำเภอบุปผาราม

In 1927 amphoe Rat Burana was swapped for Phra Khanong in Changwat Phra Pradaeng.

I only have the one for Phra Khanong, but not Rat Burana:
แจ้งความสภากาชาดสยาม เรื่อง โอนหมู่อนุสภากาชาดอำเภอพระโขนง และหมู่อนุสภากาชาดโรงเรียนวัฒนาวิทยาลัย จังหวัดพระประแดง ไปสังกัดหมวดอนุสภากาชาดแขวงจังหวัดพระนครใต้

One you did not mention was the downgrade of 6 district to minor districts in 1926: ประกาศกระทรวงมหาดไทย เรื่อง ยุบเลิกอำเภอและลดลงเป็นกิ่งในจังหวัดพระนคร The districts downgraded were Phaya Thai, Bang Liang, Phra Ratcha Wang, Chana Songkhram, Pom Prap Sattru Phai and Sathon.

In 1928 the then 34 amphoes merged back to 21.

Actually, it was in 1929 (as the year ended in April back then). ประกาศ เรื่องยุบรวมอำเภอและเลิกกิ่งอำเภอในจังหวัดพระนครแล ะธนบุรี

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One you did not mention was the downgrade of 6 district to minor districts in 1926: ประกาศกระทรวงมหาดไทย เรื่อง ยุบเลิกอำเภอและลดลงเป็นกิ่งในจังหวัดพระนคร The districts downgraded were Phaya Thai, Bang Liang, Phra Ratcha Wang, Chana Songkhram, Pom Prap Sattru Phai and Sathon.

Did not know this, do you have to which amphoe they were kinged into?

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Did not know this, do you have to which amphoe they were kinged into?

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Sorry, missed there was a link. I have translated it myself. Thanks,

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