High Speed train exhibition at TCDC - the 6th floor of Emporium - opened by Yinglux
Propaganda video on BKK - Phitsanuloke high speed train
BKK - Chiang Mai High Speed train route on the section from BKK to Phitsanuloke
BKK - Chiang Mai High Speed train route
BKK - Hua Hin High Speed train route
Announcement for the competittion on the design of High Speed train stations
4 Line of High Speed train though 21 provinces according to government propaganda at Chaeng Watthana government complex with the total price tag of 753.105 Billion Baht which can be
given details as follows:
1. Bangkok (Bangsue Central) - Chiang Mai - 745 km - with a price tag of 387.821 billion Baht
2. Bangkok (Bangsue Central) -Nakhon Ratchasima -256 km - with a price tag of 140.855 billion Baht
3. Bangkok (Bangsue Central) - Hua Hin -225 km - with a price tag of 123.798 billion Baht
4. Airport Link extension - Suvannabhum - Pataya - Rayong 100.631 billion Baht
However, there will be 100 billion Baht extra payment for Nakhon Ratchasima - Nong Khai section
Now, MOT decided to pick up route 5 that go from Bangsue to Phitsanuloke on existing railway land and then from Phitsanuloke to Sukhothai, Sri Satchanalai, and wang Chin before going along the old route [almost] to Lampang, lamphun and Chiang Mai and may even force the route from chiang mai to Chiang Rai which raise my suspect whether they are going to play shenanigan on the forest around Wang Chin. In my Honest opinion, route from Bangsue to Sukhothai has no objection but I prefer to have the route from Sukothai to Sawankhaloke and then heading to Ban Dara, to follow the existing route to Uttaradit [or Sila At] before finding the new route to Denchai and then heading to Lampang, Lamphun and Chiang Mai .... with the total distance of 661 km, 12 station (Bangsue, Donmueang, Ayutthaya, Lopburi, Nakhon Sawan, Phichit, Phisanuloke, Sukhothai, Srisatchanalai, Lampang Lamphun and Chaing mai with land exappropriation of 5835 Rai on 1750 land plots with compensation of 7.002 billion Baht and construction cost of 404.426 billion Baht (total 411.427 Billion Baht)
For the matter relating to the line from Bangsue to Hua Hin, they said after the line has reached Nakhon Chaisri, it will follow the Nakhon Pathom - Cha Am motorway which come out of Nowhere but they insist that it has passed EIA .... to reach Pak Tho and then it will go along existing railway route [except the section sharp curve in Phetburi] all the way to Hua Hin neat Soi Hua Hin 100 ...
That's the real upset for MOT decides merely to shorten the distance from 225 km to 190 km,and cut down the budget from 123.798 Billion Baht to 110 Billion Baht with land exappropriation of 250 rai, 1500 land plots, and compensation of 9.6 billion Baht , but they have deprived the right of those who live in Muang District of Nakhon pathom and Muang District of Rajburi [another dropping point to Kanchanaburi other than ban Pong] to get direct access to High Speed train and the stations for Nakhon pathom at nakhon Chaisri and station for Rajburi at New Pak Tho are too far away - Real SHAME indeed!
For the matter relating to High Speed train to Khorat and Nong Khai, there are 4 sections
1. the first 84 km - Bangsue - Ban Phachi - sharing the track with the Northern line - so the line MUST be double track with station at Bangsue, Donmueang Ayutthaya
2. the next 168 km section from Ban Phachi to Nakhon Ratchasima via Saraburi, Pak Chong, and Nakhon rachasima with price tag of 104.6 billion Baht
3. the next 356 km section from Nakhon Ratchasima to Nong Khai via Bua yai, Ban Phai, Khon Kaen, Udon Thani, Nong Khai with price tag of 144.363 billion Baht through most of existing route.
4. the last section - 100 km section from Chachoengsao to Saraburi via Nakhon Nayok (or Ongkharak) with the price tag of 63.290 Billion Baht - seem not to follow Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 section though.
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Political football on High Speed train - plagiarizing policy
One high-speed bidder to rule them all, BKK Post Online 20 Mar 2013 at 17.51
The government will select just one firm from all bidders to run four high-speed train lines, probably by the third quarter of the year, Transport Minister Chadchat Sittipunt said on Wednesday. The minister said bids will cover trains and their signal systems. Bidding on civil work will follow, he added.
Train manufacturers from China, Japan, Spain, South Korea and France have so far shown interest in building and running high-speed trains. There are high-speed trains in all five countries. Mr Chadchat said the government will select only one winner to operate the four lines. The government "does not want to have four different systems of the high-speed train on four routes because that could mean high maintenance costs," he said. "So only one firm will be selected." The first four lines to be put to bids will run from Bangkok to Pattaya, Phitsanulok, Nakhon Ratchasima and Hua Hin.
Once it is running, the eastern train to Pattaya will be extended to Rayong and probably Chanthaburi and Trat. Long range plans call for other extensions as well. The northern train will be further built from Phitsanulok to Chiang Mai; Nong Khai is already planned to be the eventual terminus of the Northeast route from Nakhon Ratchasima, and the line to Hua Hin will go further south to Padang Besar in Songkhla province, at the Malaysia border.
The government expects the country's first high-speed train between Bangkok and Pattaya to be running by 2018. The lines to Phitsanulok, Nakhon Ratchasima and Hua Hin are scheduled to be completed in 2019. High-speed train plans are central to the government's two-trillion baht scheme for megaprojects to improve infrastructure.
Transport Minister: One firm will run all high-speed train routes, 21 March 2013 (NNT)
The transport minister has revealed that only one company will be selected to run all high-speed train routes, scheduled to be operatiional between 2018 and 2019.
Transport Minister Chadchart Sittipunt said that only one bidder will be selected to run all four high-speed train routes. In the first phase, the four routes will start from Bangkok and will terminate in the eastern beach city of Pattaya, the resort city of Hua Hin southwest of Bangkok, the northern city of Phitsanulok, and the gateway to the Northeast, Nakhon Ratchasima.
The second phase will see the northern route extend to Chiang Mai, the eastern route to Rayong, the northeastern route to Nong Khai, and the southern route to Padang Besar in Songkhla near the Malaysian border.
The minister said that the reason for having the same company run all four routes is to avoid the high costs that would arise from having to maintain four different train systems. Currently, companies from China, Japan, South Korea, France and Spain have shown interest in the bidding.
Here is design of Phitsanuloke station of High Speed train
Originally Posted by 9999999990
^Possible design - all these renders are only early concepts of any possible design. They don't mean much right now.
Central provinces set for high-speed railway boost. Prices for properties near stations may rise, Bkk Post, 23 Mar 2013
Lop Buri and Nakhon Sawan are expected to be the top two provinces for rising land prices in the coming years if the first phase of four high-speed train projects kicks off. Thitiwat Teerakulthanyaroj, an executive vice-president of property consultant Century 21 Realty Affiliates (Thailand), said both provinces will become an emerging market for property once they have high-speed train stations. "These two Central Plains provinces are new to property development as there have been no key drivers," he said. "Their land prices have been stable."
According to the Transport Ministry, the first phase of the four high-speed routes will run from Bangkok to Phitsanulok (342 kilometres), Nakhon Ratchasima (256 km), Pattaya (187 km) and Hua Hin (225 km). Mr Thitiwat said other destinations served by the first four routes have seen an increase in land prices for consecutive years and already have a mature property market.
Pattaya is driven by tourism and industry, Hua Hin by tourism and Ayutthaya by industry, while Phitsanulok and Nakhon Ratchasima are big cities and transport hubs. Mr Thitiwat said high-speed rail links will bring an opportunity to create new development near stations. Areas within the first ring close to stations will usually belong to the government, which may lease land to the private sector to develop commercial property such as hotels, offices, retail outlets and conference facilities. "The second ring will attract condo development due to higher land prices. The third ring will be for low-rise houses," Mr Thitiwat said.
In phase two of the high-speed rail network, routes will extend to Chiang Mai in the North, Nong Khai in the Northeast, Rayong and probably Chanthaburi and Trat in the East and Padang Besar in Songkhla in the South. Late last month, Century 21 joined Thammasat University's architecture and planning faculty to conduct a survey on condo demand near high-speed rail lines among 1,115 people living in Bangkok, Nonthaburi and Pathum Thani. About 88% of respondents agreed that high-speed rail influenced their decisions to buy a condo unit.
The most popular route was Bangkok-Chiang Mai, followed by Nakhon Ratchasima, Hua Hin and Rayong. Asst Prof Pornphan Verapreyagura said people view Chiang Mai as a booming tourist destination after many Chinese visitors followed a popular Chinese film made in the province. However, Mr Thitiwat said the Bangkok-Chiang Mai route will be more difficult to build than other routes due to its undulating geography.
The 745-km route is so long that an environmental impact assessment will take longer, but the route is regarded as the most valuable. Asst Prof Pornphan is also researching the three restive deep-South provinces of Narathiwat, Pattani and Yala. "They are strategic destinations, a door to other Asean countries, due to good infrastructure," she said. "Despite the violence, people in these three provinces rarely relocate elsewhere. Fewer than 1% have moved out, but they did not sell their houses in their hometowns."
You are quite right: Here is a few examples:
Ayuthaya station - South of existing station near Wat Phananchoeng - the most positive response
Nakhon Sawan station - Okay but not getting much positive feedback
Phitsanuloke station - Very negative responses - they can do better than this one
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Praphat promosing that the High Speed will reach Hat Yai and SRT is going to revive Hat Yai - Songkla branch line
Son of Phansak Winyoorat [Government Think Tank] mentions about the High Speed train to carry fruit and vegetable from Chiang Mai to BKK - the brain behind Yinglux' embarrassing speech
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Thais truly do not have a clue what a High speed rail is for .....
Not those private sector who know a lot more about High Speed Train though as the news from Post Today has implied ... Sorry, no online version of Post Today News in question though but I have seen that news on page 2 of Post today (Friday 29 March 2013) though.
Nevertheless, There is a Post Today article (Friday 29 March 2013) about high speed train line shortened by political intention to please those Northern voters who want to see Bangsue Central - Chiang Mai route at the expense of the nation since they are those who show opened hatred toward the sensible choice (Bangsue Central - Nong Khai, Bangsue Central - Padang besar)
Democrat lambasting PT men that ONLY the rich and powerful can afford High Speed Train
1700 Baht for the case of High Speed Train from Bangsue Central to Chiang Mai at 300 kph max
1537.50 Baht for the case of High Speed Train from Bangsue Central to Nong Khai at 300 kph max
Approval of 2.2 trillion Baht loan is the way to betray the promise with Mainland China on High Speed train project
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Royalists raising doubts the the benefits form High Speed train financed by 2,.2 trillion Baht debt + 3.16 trillion Baht interests
Lots of ridicule about this statement by the PM on both the english and thai forums.
PM defends using high-speed trains network for perishable goods, The Nation, 29 March 2013
BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra Friday cried foul over Facebook users' widespread ridicule of her debate on the Bt2trillion loans bill on Thursday. Yingluck Friday posted a message on her Facebook wall to defend herself against the ridicule by social networkers, saying the transport of agriculture products by high-speed trains would be part of the country's economic development.
On Thursday, netizens paraphrased Yingluc's speech to the House to ridicule her. They said high-speed trains were supposed to transport passengers but the prime minister said the trains would be needed to transport fresh vegetables to prevent them from rotting.
Defending the Bt2trilllion loans bill on Thursday, Yingluck said in part: "If the government invests in the high-speed train system, development will be distributed to remote areas and the people's quality of life will increase, bringing them more convenience. Bangkok will be linked to major rural towns to facilitate faster transportation of raw materials from the source to distribution points. If the goods are foodstuffs, they will be fresher and the loss will be minimised and this will reduce the cost to farmers while the consumers will get fresher foods."
Several Facebook users posted messages, saying that Yingluck's speech showed that she was not smart as she wanted to build high-speed trains to transport fresh vegetables. In her Facebook post Friday, Yingluck said her statement was distorted for political impact and those who made fun of the issue was also looking down on farmers. She said the ridicule was not constructive. She said the transport of goods by a high-speed train system would add value to agricultural products, especially those that need fast transport to retain the quality of goods. "The goods will sell at good prices and consumers will get fresh and non-rotten goods," Yingluck said in the post.
"In foreign countries, it is normal to use high-speed transportation to ship goods. For example, flowers are shipped by plane (and this practice has been carried out in Thailand for a long time.). And in Europe, the Euro Carex has been developed to use high-speed trains to transport goods only. So, I am not daydreaming. This has become true in several countries and it allows farmers there to export agricultural goods that require high standard, including vegetables and flowers."
More silly politics....
BT2-TRILLION LOAN, Train project 'will only benefit the rich'. The Nation, 30 March 2013
The opposition Democrat Party mounted an attack on the government in relation to the proposed Bt2-trillion infrastructure projects in the second and final day of the House debate, saying the high-speed-rail system would mostly benefit the rich and there was no proper planning to accommodate changes in the areas involved.
Meanwhile, the Council of State has ruled that the proposed mass-infrastructure projects are legal and can proceed, Finance Ministry permanent secretary Areepong Poo-cha-um said.
Kanok Wongtra-ngan, a Democrat party-list MP, said that as per the calculations of the plan submitted by the administration of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, commuters would end up having to pay about Bt1.30-Bt3.50 per kilometre for the high-speed train. In other words, a 700km journey could cost between Bt1,800 and Bt2,000, higher than some low-cost airlines.
"If there are fewer than 49,600 commuters per day, the ticket costs will be even higher. Any route that costs commuters more than Bt1,000 one-way will not have customers, because they will choose a cheaper mode of transport. Hence these high-speed trains will only benefit rich folk and businesspeople," Kanok said. He also slammed Transport Minister Chadchart Sittipunt, saying the remarks he made in Parliament on Thursday were reckless because no plan had been put forward yet as to how all the electricity needed for these trains would be generated.
Chadchart defended himself yesterday by saying that it was important to put this high-speed-rail project in motion and that the Pheu Thai government would implement this as well as the link to Nong Khai if elected for a second term. The high-speed train is meant to link Bangkok with Chiang Mai, Nakhon Ratchasima, Hua Hin and Rayong.
"The government is not being reckless because we're working within a feasible framework," he said. "For those who think the tickets [for the high-speed train] will be expensive, I think everyone understands that the target groups differ from those using double-track [ordinary] trains, and that's why the government is investing in the ordinary trains nationwide first. In order to serve people's needs, there are more proposed double-track train projects than high-speed ones. "As for our readiness, we have signed memoranda of understanding with China, Japan and France to get people trained. As for the need for more electricity, we have calculated that this project will only use 1 per cent more power," Chadchart said.
Samart Rajpolsit, another Democrat party-list MP, also questioned why the estimated cost of construction for the high-speed rail system had doubled from Bt300 million per kilometre in 2010 to Bt600 million now. Democrat MP Boonyod Sukthinthai asked why Wip Winyarat, son of prime minister's policy adviser Pansak Winyarat, was appointed to conduct feasibility research on the high-speed-rail project even though he has no engineering background.