Opposing the train


From Thairath, December 22, 2015
Title: It’s ok… we are rich!
On train: Semi-express
The man holding the Thai flag is Deputy PM ACM Prajin Juntong.
On the judge’s shirt: Former judge of the Constitutional Court. Now is the NRSA. [The National Reform Steering Assembly]
[The man is Supoj Kaimook. He has opposed the high-speed train project.]
On the paper: There is no non-asphalt road in Thailand and our younger generation will have long-term debt. [These are criticisms of the junta project–that such a high-cost project should not be undertaken when many rural villagers still live in homes in villages with unpaved roads. Dusty villages are a perennial concern of voters in remote areas.]
Phi Nooring: More expensive, but slower than “Poo’s” train [PM Yingluck tried to propose a high speed train to the Northeast region where many Pheu Thai voters are.]
A mouse: Only say for destroying
[Refers to the China-Thailand’s high speed railway project approved by the junta. Those who oppose the junta have concerns that this project will have a high cost and create long term debt.]

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2 Responses to Opposing the train

  1. Wiz says:

    the endless smear campaign against Junta on Thai – China railway according to Junta by those PT-UDD mouthpieces

    Need to find the Win Win solution for Thai – China railway

    [Forum] Rail Projects and Mass transit projects in Thailand – Bus and minibus included
    Wisarut Bholsithi 1/9/2016
    To: Ron Morris

    calling the bidding of 489 BMA NGV aircon buses once again in the next 2 month to be signed in April 2016 with the appoint ment of of the real BMA governor since the lack of BMA government has caused the serious stall on BMA bus purchase project – it is the case of political football by withholding the appointment of BMA governor by previous government to force BMA to accept the buses made by politicians’ cronies

    In addition to the 489 BMA NGV aircon buses, Big Too Pressing the demands for the 200 electric buses with the mean price tag of 16 million Baht also being on the bidding list – and all must be local assembly.

    Big Too also appealing the media to end the broadcasting the petty conflicts which are nonsense

    better try taking such a long buses – Mae Sai – Dan Nok

    FInally, Chao Phraya express has cut down the ticket by 1 baht per section – effective 6 Jan 2016

    Bicycle path along Chao Phraya still goes on

    the serious dilemma for Thai – China vs Thai – Japan railway since the future High speed train since both Thai – China and Thai – Japan are gobbing the space to the point it is not possible to construct Airport Link all the way to Donmueang as both belligerent parties will never want to do track sharing – The only way to realize Airport link extension with through service to Donmueang is to share the track with Thai – China railway as the separated service of Donmueang – Bangsue by red line commuter and Airport link extension fron Bangsue Central to Suvannabhum …
    Note: if SRTET decided to purchase CNR Changchun EMU for Airport link both expressway and Airport city line, the scheme of track sharing on Thai – China railway is possible

    Similar dilemma also happened to Eastern railway to pataya and map taphut

  2. Wiz says:

    More details about the serious dilemma for Thai – China railway vs Thai – Japan railway since the future High speed train since both Thai – China and Thai – Japan are gobbing the space to the point it is not possible to construct Airport Link all the way to Donmueang as both belligerent parties will never want to do track sharing on 81.8 km from Bangsue Central to Ban Phachi Junction using European signal system as the central standard of signal. This has given a big headache for MoT to deal with.

    Japanese government and Japanese private sectors have made a clear point that section from Bangsue Central to Ban Phachi must use signals from Shinkansen system as the way to force Chinese firms and European firm to import Shinkansen system to be attached to their electric locomotives and EMUs.

    Thai – China railway vs Thai – Japan railway struggle is the ultimate goal of Japanese and Chinese government so they can take a firm root in Thailand and there are 2 Junctions which are the crux – Ban Phachi and Chachoengsao. Initially, MOT wants to use ETCS to prevent monopoly but Japanese want to use their own system.

    Another crux is the width of railway land strips – For the 81.8 km Bangsue – Ban Phachi section, the land strip is 60-80 meter wide – could fill up with 8 tracks at the maximum but both Chinese and Japanese government pressing the demands to reach the point that 10 tracks are in need as both refuse to do the track sharing scheme. There are 2 choices to deal with the limited space on the 81.8 km Bangsue – Ban Phachi section including:
    1. Cancelling Bangsue – Donmueang extension of Airport link – need to change the trains with red line commuter at Bangsue central
    2. track sharing with Thai – China railway

    For the southern line from Bangsue to Nong Pladuk, there are 80 meter wide land strip – could add 4 tracks as part of railway land has been gobbled by expressway … However, the demands are 6 tracks for 3 projects – need a solution for Thai Japan railway with the land exappropriation

    For the eastern line to Map Taphut, there are 50 meter land strip for 4 tracks but there are demands for 10 tracks for 5 projects
    Solution for this project is to do the land exapropriation for Thai – Japan railway while Thai – China railway, High Speed train and extension of Airport Link to connect with U-Tapao airport will have track sharing while cancelling the existing double tracks

    For the solution of the 81.8 km Bangsue – Ban Phachi section and Eastern railway, Thai government is going to negotiate with Chinese government to allow Airport Link to share the tracks and Airport link is going to pay the fee in the ticket as so many parties would never allow the cancelling of Airport Link extension to Donmueang and U-Tapao at all.

    Even though Big Jin want to starting point for Thai – China railway at Chiang Rak noy near Pratoo Nam Phra In (the signal station) to allow Thai – Japan railway to Chiang Mai to be constructed, Deputy Minister Omsin said he will do the best to make a starting point for both Thai – China railway and Thai- Japan railway to be at Bangsue Central to maximize the benefit of people.

    For the issue of constrained land strip, MoT now asking SRT for the best solution in details to be done in March 2016.


    issue on Thai China railway now is about more Chinese investment from 40% to 70% to cope with the cost overrun but 300 billion Baht – as interest rate is no longer issue

    Now, the reason behind 300 billion Baht cost overrun is that what Thai consultant companies have studied during the day of PM Yinglux did not cover all the routes Chinese government is pressing the demands to Thai government to implement
    There will be 4 main cargo services on Thai – China railway to take into serious consideration:
    1. Containerized goods to be loaded into Bogie Container Freight wagons
    2. Petroleum and fuel to be loaded into Bogie Oil Tank wagons and Bogie Gas Tank wagons
    3. Cement products to be loaded into Bogie Cement Pressurized wagons
    4. all other other goods which cannot be loaded into the first 3 types of good wagons

    Thai – China railway from Khorat to Nong Khai

    Conclusion on Thai – China railway by the end of March 2016

    Even though Thai – Japan railway line has not started the construction, there will be a test run on cargo service from Nong Pladuk Junction to Bangsue (Phahonyothin Freight Yard) on 5 Feb 2016 using 12 container boxes of 12 feet types load into the specialized container wagons to attract the customers who cannot afford to pay for trucks to carry 20 feet or even 40 feet container boxes. Next on the line is cargo train from Tha Phra to Bangsue via Kud Jik on 8-11 Feb 2016 and from Lamphun to Bangsue on 15-19 Feb 2016

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